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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
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Meetup needs to let up with the spam is a post from: Jobless and Less: The Blog for the Employmentally Challenged I&#8217;m a big fan of Meetup.com. It&#8217;s the Justin Bieber to my inner 12-year-old girl, without the incredibly bad hair. There aren&#8217;t too many websites and/or online services I appreciate more. Gmail is one. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.joblessandless.com/2011/02/meetup-needs-to-let-up-with-the-spam/">Meetup needs to let up with the spam</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.joblessandless.com">Jobless and Less</a>: The Blog for the Employmentally Challenged</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3220" href="http://www.joblessandless.com/2011/02/meetup-needs-to-let-up-with-the-spam/screw-meetup/"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-3220" title="screw-meetup" src="http://www.joblessandless.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/screw-meetup-300x221.jpg" alt="screw meetup 300x221 Meetup needs to let up with the spam" width="300" height="221" /></a>I&#8217;m a big fan of <a title="Oh Justin, you're so dreamy" href="http://www.meetup.com/" target="_blank">Meetup.com</a>. It&#8217;s the Justin Bieber to my inner 12-year-old girl, without the incredibly bad hair. There aren&#8217;t too many websites and/or online services I appreciate more. Gmail is one. Facebook is an another. And Fred&#8217;s Potato Chip and Plumbing Supply Emporium is still another. Where else can you get <a title="Crab Chips are the secret to fresh breath" href="http://www.taquitos.net/chips/Utz_Crab_Chip" target="_blank">Old Bay crab chips</a> and the <a title="Laying waste to your waste, like a king" href="http://www.anaheimmfg.com/products/wasteking/legend_8000TC.html" target="_blank">Waste King Legend 8000TC 1 horsepower disposer</a> in one online shopping cart, besides Amazon? That&#8217;s right, nowhere. And the site&#8217;s emoticons are second to none. Long live Fred!<span id="more-3218"></span></p>
<p>Meetup is a worldwide network of local groups organized around a wide variety of topics. The site helps individuals set up these groups, and helps others join them. The groups then get together to discuss their topic of choice, whether it be sewing or shuffleboard or Canadian teen idols. Meetup is an online vehicle for person-to-person meetings, pushing people away from their computers and toward each other. It connects people in a meaningful way, unlike many social networking tools.</p>
<p>I started using the site to connect with other online marketing types about three years ago. I attended various meetups in an official capacity, representing my previous employer. The meetings kept me abreast of all the happenings in the industry and put me in touch with a few of the movers and shakers. I kept at it after the layoff. The people in these groups have ins at good companies and the potential to help me find gainful employment. And they knew things&#8230; lots and lots of things. And not just things, but stuff&#8230; and whatnot, the grand poobah of all vague descriptive terms. As any two-bit <a title="Jobless and Less site" href="http://www.joblessandless.com/">unemployment site</a> that isn&#8217;t Jobless and Less will tell you, <a title="Networking for the notworking post" href="http://www.joblessandless.com/2009/03/networking-event-for-the-notworking-more-unemployment-fun/">networking is key to finding a job</a>. My participation led to some interviews and freelance projects. Whereas, online job boards just gave me a raging case of <a title="Carpal Tunnel Syndrome post" href="http://www.joblessandless.com/2009/07/the-curse-of-unemployment/">carpal tunnel syndrome</a>.</p>
<p>I still belong to multiple Meetup groups and attend events every so often. Here&#8217;s a selection of my favorites&#8230;</p>
<ul>
<li><a title="Internet Marketers Meetup page" href="http://www.meetup.com/internetmarketers/" target="_blank">Internet Marketers of New York</a></li>
<li><a title="SEMPO New York Meetup page" href="http://www.meetup.com/SEMPONewYork/" target="_blank">SEMPO New York</a></li>
<li><a title="Brandhacker Meetup page" href="http://www.meetup.com/brandhacker/" target="_blank">NYC Brandhackers Happy Hour Speaker Series</a></li>
<li><a title="WordPress NYC Meetup page" href="http://www.meetup.com/wordpressnyc/" target="_blank">WordPress NYC Meetup Group</a></li>
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<p>The <a title="Search Engine Marketing Professionals Organization" href="http://www.sempo.org/" target="_blank">SEMPO</a> and <a title="WordPress site" href="http://wordpress.org/" target="_blank">WordPress</a> meetups are particularly productive. The SEMPO group, an offshoot of the Search Engine Marketing Professionals Organization, brings in experts to discuss the fast-moving field of Search Engine Marketing. The group for WordPress, the popular content management system I use for Jobless and Less, covers issues related to the software. Maybe you sense a theme here&#8230; a geeky, nerdy, online marketing-focused, career-related theme. And wouldn&#8217;t you know it, the settings in my Meetup account follow suit.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t spend much time on the Meetup site each day. Trolling for new  groups isn&#8217;t terribly helpful or informative. And the limited online  social functions aren&#8217;t among the site&#8217;s strengths. Besides, the site is set to notify me of any new group that fits my location and interests. Far be it from me to do work I don&#8217;t have to. Here&#8217;s a sampling of the kinds of groups I&#8217;ve asked Meetup to ping me about&#8230;</p>
<ul>
<li>Weblogger</li>
<li>WordPress</li>
<li>Search Engine Optimization</li>
<li>Website Marketing</li>
<li>Social Media Marketing</li>
</ul>
<p>Alas, though the Meetup concept is slick, the execution is often clumsy. I receive five or more notifications for new groups each day. Maybe 20% of these groups are remotely relevant, or even within the parameters I set up. The rest are either ridiculous or hilarious or both. I began saving my favorites a couple months ago to share with the world. The folder now contains 121 emails. Many more were deleted. Here are the best of the worst, as I received them&#8230;</p>
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<li><strong>Bronx Ladies Who Lunch:</strong> This group is a social network for ladies 25 to 35 to get together and  create lasting friendships. The point of the group is to support and  uplift each other. There will be many events that will make this mission  possible. Our outings will center on the Bronx but there will be events  city-wide.<br />
<em>[Don't be fooled by the lunch that I got, I'm still Normy from the block. So it needs a little work. <a title="J-Lo crying article on Huffington Post" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/24/american-idol-top-24-jlo_n_827560.html" target="_blank">J-Lo has been too busy crying</a> to return my calls.]</em></li>
<li><strong>Flexyn:</strong> Flexyn stands for Fly, Sexy and Fun. And that&#8217;s just what our group is  about. Being Fly, Living Sexy enjoying life to the fullest and having  Fun. Whether single, dating or married, our get togethers will encourage  all to live life to the fullest. Responsible and safe fun is what we&#8217;re  all about. Networking, parties, events and trips are our focus. We will  constantly have something fun planned. Some type of wonderful activity  for people to come together and have a blast.<br />
<em>[Well, I am fly, sexy and fun. They got that right. And I do enjoy making up words out of other words to describe myself. Unguatam, for example, stands for Unemployed Guy Hates Spam. It's also the name of the tiny banana republic I plan to start when I become the next George Clooney.]</em></li>
<li><strong>Drum Circle International House:</strong> International House is a residential facility in Morningside  Heights/Harlem NY for over 700 graduate students from all over the world  studying in a very diverse array of fields. The facility has a modern gymnasium where we conduct a drum circle  every Friday 8pm-10pm. We have just started the endeavor with two drums  and any additional drums/instruments would be great.<br />
<em>[Shooting hippies is indeed one of my favorite activities. So maybe Meetup got this one right too.]</em></li>
<li><strong>Women 24 and Over and Colored Men:</strong> I decided to start this group as a result of being involved with an  interracial meetup that was, ironically, too exclusive. Realizing that  changing the mentality and make up of the group would be too time  consuming, and probably even unrealistic, I&#8217;ve started my own group. This network has been designed for women who are interested in  Colored Men. When I say colored, I&#8217;m referring to a broad spectrum of  individuals from dark-skinned to light-skinned, Black, African, Asian,  Latino, Middle Eastern, Indian, bi-racial and multiracial men. We value  and would like to develop a network of open minded, respectful, and  sociable  members who welcome and are interested in interracial dating.<br />
<em> [This group managed to include everyone except me. It's so nice to be discriminated against in my own inbox.]</em></li>
<li><strong>Daddyhunt NYC:</strong> Daddyhunt is a community of over 200,ooo hot gay men of all ages. We bring together older men, masculine guys and the guys who love them in a dating and socializing environment that is supportive and attitude-free. We welcome Dads, Older Bros, Bears and hunters of all ages. NYC/Metropolitan members are welcome to attend our premiere Meetup event on December 15th.<br />
<em>[And to think I first thought this was a group that got together to play cruel tricks on orphans. Boy was I embarrassed at that first meeting.]</em></li>
<li><strong>Argentine Tango Beginners:</strong> FREE for 4 men only!! We have the women already!<br />
<em>[All this time I thought it only took two to tango. Who knew?]</em></li>
</ul>
<p>How can a site that touts its personalization, in an age of hyper-social media, be so misguided? I expect  this from the the big job sites, which continue to insist that I become a  nursing assistant in New Jersey. But I thought Justin, I mean Meetup,  knew me better than that. The site just <a title="Jobless and Less spam post" href="http://www.joblessandless.com/2009/02/my-spam-is-better-than-your-spam/">spams the crap out of  me</a>, over and over, day after day. It was funny at first&#8230; look at all those cute, funny, totally irrelevant emails from that site that doesn&#8217;t really know what it&#8217;s doing. Now it&#8217;s just annoying. So this once-satisfied user is blocking all new groups until Meetup gets its floppy hair out of its eyes and fixes this problem.</p>
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		<title>Job interview, aka complete waste of time</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 02:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
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Job interview, aka complete waste of time is a post from: Jobless and Less: The Blog for the Employmentally Challenged I had a job interview for an Account Manager position&#8230; a very odd job interview. I don&#8217;t really know what to make of it. So maybe teasing out my thoughts into an epic blog post, [...]]]></description>
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<div id="attachment_3138" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://www.joblessandless.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/interview2.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-3138" title="interview2" src="http://www.joblessandless.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/interview2-300x199.jpg" alt="interview2 300x199 Job interview, aka complete waste of time" width="300" height="199" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">I love how you&#39;ve decorated your office. This desk is oak, right? (courtesy of http://myesllab.files.wordpress.com)</p></div>
<p>I had a job interview for an Account Manager position&#8230; a very odd job interview. I don&#8217;t really know what to make of it. So maybe teasing out my thoughts into an epic blog post, laced with humor and vitriol, will clear things up. What would really clear things up&#8230; having this post picked up by a publisher, expanded into a book bought by millions of people and turned into a movie, with the part of Norm, the <a title="Norm Elrod resume" href="http://www.joblessandless.com/resume/">fearless unemployed blogger</a>, played by <a title="George Clooney fan site" href="http://www.gclooney.com/">George Clooney</a>. Maybe it wouldn&#8217;t. And George might not want to endure the months of gym time necessary to fully become the character. But I really think we should try, just to be sure.</p>
<p>I arrived early for my interview. So I stood outside the nondescript downtown office building, scrolling through emails on my phone. A leisurely stroll from the subway, past <a title="City Hall wiki" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Hall">City Hall</a> and through the <a title="City Hall Park page" href="http://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/cityhallpark/">neighboring park</a>, didn&#8217;t kill enough time. Nor did a quick and depressing stop at the bank machine. But being early is good. It shows eagerness. It shows discipline and drive. It shows that I have nothing better to do.</p>
<p><span id="more-3135"></span>The company&#8217;s office sat at the end of a meandering hallway, next to a sketchy-looking medical office. I walked in to find the receptionist vacuuming around her messy desk. It was jammed into a corner with some boxes and a couple of broken fans. A narrow walkway, lined with shiny metal chairs and blurry pictures of New York City, led to three offices. Had they furnished the space with leftovers from the previous occupant? The place was uninspiring for a marketing company. It was uninspiring for any company.</p>
<p>I asked to use the bathroom, and the receptionist directed me back out of the office to a door marked &#8220;Out of Order.&#8221; &#8220;Ignore the sign,&#8221; she explained. &#8220;It works.&#8221; And technically it did, thanks to copious amounts of duct tape. The bathroom appeared to have exploded recently and been pieced back together by <a title="MacGyver wiki" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGyver">MacGyver</a>. Times are hard even for former television stars. I went about my business quickly, touching only what I had to.</p>
<p>The receptionist handed me a clipboard upon my return. A basic information sheet was attached, along with an interesting questionnaire. It contained 20 or so groupings of four adjectives, with directions to choose which of the four most and least describes me. The purpose was to create a psychological profile and ferret out the people who would excel in a certain role. I&#8217;ll make up an example to illustrate&#8230;</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>W</strong>atchful</li>
<li><strong>T</strong>heatric</li>
<li><strong>F</strong>ucoid</li>
<li><strong>H</strong>elpful</li>
</ul>
<p>I would probably check off &#8220;most&#8221; for &#8220;helpful&#8221; or maybe &#8220;watchful&#8221; and &#8220;least&#8221; for &#8220;fucoid,&#8221; since I&#8217;m not &#8220;of or like seaweed.&#8221; But the appropriate answers weren&#8217;t always so obvious. Sometimes none of the words applied, leaving me to pick the best of the worst. Sometimes all of them applied, forcing me to pick the &#8220;least&#8221; tag for something positive and sell myself short.</p>
<p>After completing the application, I was called in to interview. The interviewer&#8217;s office was dominated by a huge curtain-less window overlooking Broadway. Sunshine streamed in. Still the room was only slightly less depressing than the waiting area. It contained a desk and a couple more metal chairs. I don&#8217;t even remember a computer or any personal effects. The office seemed to belong to no one.</p>
<p>My interviewer was tall, well dressed and barely out of college. Being closer to 40 than 30, I&#8217;m increasingly aware of people way younger than me in positions of power. He asked questions as if seeing my resume for the first time. &#8220;So&#8230; you worked at company X. How was that?&#8221; I answered simply, praising the company and the experience of working there. He didn&#8217;t really listen. His cellphone rang at one point, and he checked it. After a few stale exchanges, he asked why I was applying for an entry-level job. This was news to me. My rather direct response was that I didn&#8217;t know I was. Account Manager isn&#8217;t usually an entry-level job. He ceded my point. I ceased to care about the job.</p>
<p>With the interview portion of the meeting out of the way, he launched into his spiel. This is the type of company we are. This is our way of doing business. This is the project we&#8217;re hiring for. He&#8217;d obviously delivered the words many times and been instructed exactly how to do so. He maintained strong eye contact throughout, as if trying to hold me in place. He leaned slightly forward, as if trying to engage me more. There was a thought-out method to all this.</p>
<p>I listened and tried to figure out the angle. Everything sounded reasonable, sort of like a <a title="Pyramid scheme post" href="http://www.joblessandless.com/2009/04/pyramid-schemes-love-the-unemployed/">pyramid scheme</a> does until you actually explore a little. This seemed like a scam, but I couldn&#8217;t figure out why. I just knew that I wanted no part of it.</p>
<p>I imagined all the applicants who&#8217;d sat exactly where I was sitting. I imagined all the applicants who would sit where I was sitting. I felt stupid and small. Stupid for putting on a suit and dragging my unemployed ass halfway across the city for something I suspected would be a waste of time. Small for not having a choice. Putting up with such nonsense is so frustrating.</p>
<p>He handed me a business card at the end of his little speech. He was a partner. The company would decide quickly who to bring back for a more in-depth interview. I could expect a call as soon as that afternoon. He instructed me to keep my phone line open. I said that I would, though I was really looking forward to actively ignoring the call. I didn&#8217;t even get that chance. He never called.</p>
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